More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

expatbackhome — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:18:31 GMT

I lived through the polio epidemic in the 1950s and never got
vaccinated, as my family has always practiced holistic health.

I also lived in Hong Kong through the SARS epidemic of 2003.

I STRONGLY OBJECT to calling the alerts about avian flu a hoax. Here is why:
(1) The chief epidemiologist of London College of Medicine said, one year after SARS, that the eventual bird flu will be much worse, BECAUSE quarantine will not work as it will have no incubation period. SARS had 3 days and quarantine worked.
(2) How many Americans have no health insurance and won't seek help in early stages of being ill? That helps an epidemic to spread.
(3) Thousands of public health workers worldwide have been paying attention, especially in China and other places where animals and humans live in close proximity. This has undoubtedly averted many situations which could have become worse.
(4) We won't KNOW what the actual virus is until the mutated version that is transmissible between humans actually appears. Until then, no vaccine is very useful. It takes 6 months to create a virus-specific vaccine.
(5) Yes, there are people taking advantage of the warnings -- BUT -- PLEASE -- don't be irresponsible about alerting people. It's not just about us.
(6) Viruses can mutate very quickly -- even within hours. I'm not in favor of panic either, BUT, I've seen a recent epidemic up close and personal. It's horrific. Costly in every possible way.   We should be thanking all the people from WHO and other national (USA and other countries) health agencies who are maintaining constant monitoring around the world.

To use cynicism about our profit-mongering system to lower our concern for public health is not useful.   Find a way to prevent it. Not pretend it's not real. The Chinese did that with SARS which is how it got to Canada. You can do better

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

Literary Rosamundi — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:33:30 GMT

Dear All,
And for another source of competent reporting on Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza just Google GRAIN. This site has marvelous research and has archived a number of well documented reports on this issue.
One of the FACTS is that Donald Rumsfeld (Of "Stuff" Happens Fame) owns the company that owns the corporation that owns the rights to TAMIFLU. Surprise, surprise!
Jenny MacLeod
Gabriola, BC

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

Literary Rosamundi — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:15:39 GMT

Dear All,
Here is a link to the FAO HPAI report and brief.
http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/projects/en/pplpi/hpai.html
Jenny MacLeod
Gabriola, BC

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

Literary Rosamundi — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:05:22 GMT

Dear All,
There have been two respected scientific reports on Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza (HPAI). One by Johns Hopkins for the Food and Agriculture Organization (an arm of the United Nations) about biosecurity revisited which maintains the opinion that HPAI is NOT spread by wild birds but is mutating in the Commercial Chicken operations (thousands of chickens confined to one barn) and another by the WATERFOWL journal that approaches the issue from an ornithologist's point of view and states that factory farmed poultry is a threat to wild waterfowl populations.
You can find the first Google: FAO PPLPI and search for Avian Influenza. (PPLPI is Pro-Poor Livestock Policy Initiative.
The second can be found using:
WATERBIRDS
JOURNAL OF THE WATERBIRD SOCIETY
VOL. 29, NO. 3 2006 PAGES243-406
Avian Influenza: An Ecological and Evolutionary Perspective for WaterbirdScientists
SABIR BIN MUZAFFAR1,2, RONALD C. YDENBERG3 AND IAN L. JONES1
Jenny MacLeod
Gabriola Island

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

omegalpha — Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:12:02 GMT

As soon as 'they' (the media, gov't officials [CDC, et al], allopaths, 'scientists', etc) began their scare tactics, I just put this disinformation in the same category as SARS. Does anybody remember SARS. Like half the population was supposed to keel over from it. Excuse me, but people often die of pneumonia. SARS never appeared to be any worse than any other form of pneumonia. It's always something they want to shoot us up with. Now in my state of Texas our governor in his 'infinite wisdom' has mandated that little girls be vaccinated against HPV. When is it going to stop?!! We already have an epidemic of autism caused by mercury in the vaccines and all of the other chemicals to which children are exposed. Yet the media tries to make this out as people seeking to find a scapegoat. If the pharmanazis and the gov't aren't cahoots, then explain why a provision was added to the Patriot Act that makes it impossible to sue the same pharmanazis for the damage they've done to our children through tainted vaccines.

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

Booner — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:07:17 GMT

Remember the "Swine Flu"? Same deal. Drug manufacturers were given a huge amount of taxpayers money to develop a vaccine. Sold 80 million doses. I don't know of a single confirmed case of swine flu by the CDC. The same applies w/ bird flu. The feds spent $2,000,000,000 (that's billions) on Tamaflu which is ineffective against your garden variety flu let alone bird flu. But the deal netted Donald Rumsfeld millions as he was a major holder of stock, (not in Roche), but in the company that makes the active ingredient in Tamaflu. A big thank you goes out to our straight shooting, and honest elected officials.

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

BENDZ — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:23:29 GMT

While I agree that the government and pharma companies have a vested interest in hyping this up, I have to wonder if you are just so anti-pharma that you've lost your objectivity.

Your heading for this article was "More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax" but what evidence exactly?

There was nothing in the text other than that it still hasn't happened yet.

Just because something that may or may not happen at some undefined point in the future still hasn't happened yet is not EVIDENCE that it will never happen.

re: More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

Aleahsa — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:08:21 GMT

I figured out the big Avian Flu was a huge scare tactic propogated by the U.S. Government a long time ago ! They want their citizens scared ! What better way to control a population than to scare them to death with some fake killer epidemic that will have them running for vaccinations and medicine.

Does anybody remember the ''killer bees " scare from several years back ? I'm still waiting to see one ! Or the West Nile Virus scare that had us all afraid to go out and enjoy our woods and forests and backyards even, and paranoid if we even ''saw'' a mosquito. Another possible excuse to have us all vaccinated.

And there have been other ''over the top'' well broadcasted so-called epidemics coming. Where are they ? I know where, they exist in the imagination or mind of George W.Bush and former Presidents and their governments. What better way to take the attention of the country's population off of the Gulf War or the War in Iraq and turn it over to being afraid for your life due to some epidemic the President is forecasting will kill millions.

Why would Presidents want to take our attention off of Iraq, The Gulf or Vietnam Wars ? Well duh ! Weren't all those wars ''invented '' to divert the population's attention off of some other huge obvious mistake the U.S. Administration made ? Initiated due to highly trumped up government information which led thousands, like lemmings, into battlefields with no real defined cause to fight or take over.

Come on people ! Wake up ! Pay zero attention to these health scare tactics and more attention to what they are probably designed to cammoflage. It's all just smoke and mirrors.

And by the way...think hard about it before you get any vaccination. It's time we all questioned what really is in those vaccines and what could be put there for evil purposes by higher authorities that may want to control our health or our thinking.

re: More Evidence Bird Flu Is a Hoax

Witch Doctor — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:14:02 GMT

I listened to a researcher being interviewed on the radio about the Bird Flu. He thought it was overblown and provided plenty of evidence. But most interesting to me was the following:

He said that in a large random sampling of the Chinese population, Chineses researchers found antibodies to the same virus in 50% of the population, over a decade ago! Makes one wonder about the supposed inability of the human body to fight off that virus.

Also makes one wonder what the ulterior motive is at the international level to deceive us.

Duane

re: More Evidence Bird Flu Is a Hoax

mmc88121 — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:21:32 GMT

Of course there is no person-to-person spread of bird flu. If you don't eat or work with the infected species there is almost no chance of you contracting avian flu. It is just easier to make a vaccine when the species provides the medium for the vaccine.

mmc88121

re: More Evidence Bird Flu Is a Hoax

Russ Bianchi — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:09:47 GMT

It should be renamed the: 'Chicken Little Flu Hoax'...call me when the sky is really falling....

re: More Evidence Bird Flu Is a Hoax

alihoney — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:18:51 GMT

The bird flu is a HOAX BUT if you live in Nebraska and buy chickens, you will be 'in the books'. Your name and address is recorded so WHEN this bird flu hoax comes around, the 'LITTLE peoples' chickens will be killed so that the huge, factory confinement chickens won't catch this horrible phantom disease from our small pastured flocks living on small acres/farms. I purchased 10 chicks from our local feed store and now I am a contagious threat to the big boys drug-horomone-filth chicken confinements where the poor chickens NEVER see the light of the day. Even if this flu hoax was real, how stupid to think that killing small farm flocks would make a dent with the millions of wild birds freely flying the skies and living on the land. This is really a plot for the factory chicken farmers to control the poultry business or someone IS really that stupid.