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More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax

An international conference of 400 experts in Verona, Italy concurred that there is no sign yet that the deadly H5N1 strain of the avian flu virus has mutated to allow person-to-person infection.

H5N1 has killed scores of people worldwide, and has been found in 11 countries this year, but almost all the people who have come down with the virus have been shown to have been infected through contact with domestic birds.

It was also noted at the conference that the H5N1 virus has been found in only a few birds in Italy itself, even though the country is a major migration route for birds traveling from Africa to Europe

Heartland Outdoorsman.com March 23, 2007


Dr. Mercola's Comment:

It's been nearly a year since I asked rhetorically, whatever happened to the bird flu epidemic that never came? And, we're still waiting.

President Bush warned that in the United States alone anywhere from 200,000 (at best!) to 2 million people at worst would die from the bird flu. How do they make the giant leap of faith that the very few deaths so far worldwide will translate to 2 million or even 200,000 deaths from a virus that does NOT readily spread from birds to humans, or humans to humans?

To this date the has not been one single person who has caught this from another human. Virtually every reported case was in a third-world country in which those who were infected had close contact with sick birds.

And why were these birds sick? Not because of some terrible lethal virus. Quite the contrary my friends. It was largely because they were raised under factory-farming conditions that, combined with the terrible food they were given, weakened their immune systems and allowed them to come down with this deadly infection.

Interestingly, this is very similar to the way that many humans actually get sick. The take-home message here, folks, is that it is in no way, shape or form the virus that is the cause of the infection, it is the weakened immune system that results from following or choosing an unhealthy lifestyle.

But the drug companies and secondarily the governments they control will rarely miss an opportunity to use these scare tactics.

Even though the experts at the Italian conference knew this, that fact didn't stop them from discussing ways to prevent the avian flu from spreading, namely by using vaccines nobody needs that don't work anyway. They also conveniently forgot that even vaccinating poultry wasn't a foolproof solution either.

All of which neatly points to the reason for the scare tactics -- kickbacks to drug companies. Their drugs may be useless, but the massive windfall from government contracts to help "prepare" against avian flu has helped their bottom lines nicely, not to mention the profits of their allies in the government.

You'll learn more about the hidden agenda behind the avian flu epidemic that never came after reading The Great Bird Flu Hoax: The Truth They Don't Want You to Know About the "Next Big Pandemic."

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Posted On Mar 26, 2007
It should be renamed the: 'Chicken Little Flu Hoax'...call me when the sky is really falling.... 

 
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Posted On Mar 26, 2007
Hi Russ,

Just my very thoughts.  When ever I watch the dvd of Chicken Little, I will think of the made-up bird flu.

So true, so true.

Annapavlove 42


Critical Thinker
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Posted On Apr 15, 2007
yes, most of what our governments told us about bird flu was a lie, to
sell ineffective vaccines and to benefit the factory chicken farming
industry by wiping out their free-range competitors and yes bird flu is
caused by factory farming but the threat of bird flu turning into a
human epidemic is real and quite likely will happen within the next 10
years, killing millions of people, unless we abandon factory chicken
farming and switch to free range (preferably organic).

There is a good article on the role
of dioxins in causing bird flu here: What'sReallyBehindtheBirdFluOutbreaks?


Faust
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Posted On Apr 15, 2007
just another example of greed for Money and Power (through control)..... that is all  


GRAYWOLF
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Posted On Apr 15, 2007
Practically everything the government tells us is a lie, not just this. Whether it is that they have the authority to control something or the excuse they give for the law they write. Hell, half the time they don't even know what the bill says that they vote to pass!


MarciaE
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Posted On Apr 17, 2007
My thoughts exactly!! Since purchasing Dr. Mercola's bird flu hoax book, I've lent it out three times and still have two family members waiting to read it. So sad that we all are so led astray by our government and the medical profession!!!

 
 
 
Posted On Apr 14, 2007
I figured out the big Avian Flu was a huge scare tactic propogated by the U.S. Government a long time ago ! They want their citizens scared ! What better way to control a population than to scare them to death with some fake killer epidemic that will have them running for vaccinations and medicine.

Does anybody remember the ''killer bees " scare from several years back ? I'm still waiting to see one ! Or the West Nile Virus scare that had us all afraid to go out and enjoy our woods and forests and backyards even, and paranoid if we even ''saw'' a mosquito. Another possible excuse to have us all vaccinated.

And there have been other ''over the top'' well broadcasted so-called epidemics coming. Where are they ?  I know where, they exist in the imagination or mind of George W.Bush and former Presidents and their governments. What better way to take the attention of the country's population off of the Gulf War or the War in Iraq and turn it over to being afraid for your life due to some epidemic the President is forecasting will kill millions.

Why would Presidents want to take our attention off of Iraq, The Gulf or Vietnam Wars ? Well duh ! Weren't all those wars ''invented '' to divert  the population's attention off of some other huge obvious mistake the U.S. Administration made ? Initiated due to highly trumped up government information which led thousands, like lemmings, into battlefields with no real defined cause to fight or take over.

Come on people ! Wake up !   Pay zero attention to these health scare tactics and more attention to what they are probably designed to cammoflage. It's all just smoke and mirrors.

And by the way...think hard about it before you get any vaccination. It's time we all questioned what really is in those vaccines and what could be put there for evil purposes by higher authorities that may want to control our health or our thinking.

 
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Witch Doctor
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Posted On Apr 14, 2007
Aleahsa - Uh... the Vietnam War was "invented"?  Weren't our Asian friends invaded by a murderous communist regime?  Weren't the murderous communists supported by two major communist countries, both with an expressly stated purpose of world domination?  I don't think it was invented.  I think it was mismanaged.

We don't have to invent reasons for the Bird Flu and other hoaxes.  They aren't really hoaxes in the literal sense..  They are over-reactions and an example why government can't be trusted.  They are AFRAID NOT TO OVER-REACT, for fear of being blamed.  They're cowards.  And they want to SHOW HOW GREAT THEY ARE in protecting the masses.  Oh, I guess it is a hoax, too, because once money and profits get in the picture, it becomes the financial and professional interest of the researchers and pharmaceuticals to perpetuate the worst-case scenario.  Oh, I shouldn't forget the media.  They may be the worst perpetuator of all.  Why? To increase their circulation and get more advertising dollars.  So, you only have to look right at what's in front of you to see the reasons for the hoax.  The rest of what you suggest are in fact "inventions" based on speculation.  Duane


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Posted On Apr 14, 2007
Yes, it is sad that we have a government that would want to use scare tactics all for a dollar, but unfortunately Africanized bees do exist.  Just come to Texas and you will find them.  Every year people and mostly animals are attacked by them.  Usually dogs that have gotten into something that disturbed them.  After the poor animal has been stung more than 1,000+ times, it either dies or has to be put down.  And the mosquito issue is another one.  Yes, the media does put a lot of hype on it, but every year at least a handful of elderly people dye from the virus; because of their weak immune system. There are also many birds that are killed due to the virus.  It is not uncommon to find a dead bird just laying in your yard or at the park.  If they are taken in to be tested, they usually are diagnosed with having the virus.  The dead bird count is one of the ways the severity of the season is determined.  When you have a very mild winter, you are going to have more mosquitos and more bees, though many bees do migrate.


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Posted On Apr 14, 2007
Aleahza,
     As always, the government uses fear to manipulate the populace.  Simple psychology.  The two things that motivate people are greed and fear of loss.  A great example of this is the game show "Deal or No Deal?"..  They greedily turn down $250,000 cause if I can open just one more case, I might get $300,000.  But when the big amount is gone, the fear of loss kicks in and they take the lousy offer to avoid losing more.  Our elected officials, in concert with their brethren the press, have turned scaring the public into a fine art.  If you want to get beyond the smoke and mirrors, FOLLOW THE MONEY!  It's always about the money.  

Booner
  
P.S.   There are africanized honey bees in my home state of Arizona.  They are extremely aggressive and can be deadly though in most cases people are just badly injured.   Several people are attacked each year in the valley.   

 
 
 
Posted On Mar 26, 2007
The bird flu is a HOAX BUT if you live in Nebraska and buy chickens, you will be 'in the books'.  Your name and address is recorded so WHEN this bird flu hoax comes around, the 'LITTLE peoples' chickens will be killed so that the huge, factory confinement chickens won't catch this horrible phantom disease from our small pastured flocks living on  small acres/farms.  I purchased 10 chicks from our local feed store and now I am a contagious threat to the big boys drug-horomone-filth chicken confinements where the poor chickens NEVER see the light of the day.  Even if this flu hoax was real, how stupid to think that killing small farm flocks would make a dent with the millions of wild birds freely flying the skies and living on the land.  This is really a plot for the factory chicken farmers to control the poultry business or someone IS really that stupid. 

 
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Posted On Mar 27, 2007
I listened to a researcher being interviewed on the radio about the Bird Flu.  He thought it was overblown and provided plenty of evidence.  But most interesting to me was the following:

He said that in a large random sampling of the Chinese population, Chineses researchers found antibodies to the same virus in 50% of the population, over a decade ago!  Makes one wonder about the supposed inability of the human body to fight off that virus.

Also makes one wonder what the ulterior motive is at the international level to deceive us.

Duane

 
Witch Doctor
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Posted On Apr 14, 2007
While I agree that the government and pharma companies have a vested interest in hyping this up, I have to wonder if you are just so anti-pharma that you've lost your objectivity.

Your heading for this article was "More Evidence Bird Flu is a Hoax" but what evidence exactly?

There was nothing in the text other than that it still hasn't happened yet.

Just because something that may or may not happen at some undefined point in the future still hasn't happened yet is not EVIDENCE that it will never happen.

 
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Posted On Apr 14, 2007
I agree with BENDZ.
If the bird flu is a hoax, then what about the 1918 flu. It is a fact that it happened, so why can it not happen again.
I read the bird flu hoax book by mercola and although it is correct in its indictment of the government, food industry and pharma companies, it did not explain WHY the bird flu cannot happen.
Just because it has not happened yet is not proof that it won't happen. Maybe it won't. Maybe it will happen in 10 or 20 years. Mercola does not explain the 1918 flu. When I emailed mercola.com, after reading the book, all I got was, "Dr Mercola believes what he has written, we do not have the details of the 1918 flu".   WHAT?
Hardly scientific or logical to ignore 1918.
How someone who on the one hand gives such good health advice can then do this is beyond me.


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Posted On Apr 14, 2007
actually, there is evidence that it is a hoax

"To this date the has not been one single person who has caught this from another human. Virtually every reported case was in a third-world country in which those who were infected had close contact with sick birds.

And why were these birds sick? Not because of some terrible lethal virus. Quite the contrary my friends. It was largely because they were raised under factory-farming conditions that, combined with the terrible food they were given, weakened their immune systems and allowed them to come down with this deadly infection."

In other words, there is little to no chance of anyone here getting, or even dying from, the virus, much less 2 million. If that isn't evidence, I don't know what is. Those worried about dying from this "pandemic"  should  work on improving their immune system, not taking a useless, overpriced vaccine. Personally, I am about as worried about getting the bird flu virus as all the other cold and flu viruses or germs that haven't affected me at all.


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Posted On Apr 15, 2007
In reference to Nathan210's comment:
How is that evidence that it is a hoax.

The thirld world countries had cases of birds that were not factory farmed having it. They were birds that were kept in family home/back yards. (Although there was a factory case in England).
It is not true that it has not be passed human to human. This has happened to reletives careing for an infected person.

However, it is true that it is not generally infectous human to human. Does that mean just because it has not happened yet that it still can't happed. What sort of reasoning is that. The virus in its pressent form cannot cause a problem. But that was also the case in 1918. How long was it about then? 5, 10, 20 years before it became human to human transsmisable?

It can become transmissable if it mutates within someone that has a normal flu virus and the H5N1 virus at the same time. This may never happen. But where is the evidance that it will not happen.

Of course the government and phrama companies will hype it up to make money. How is this proof the the H5N1 is not a threat.

The 1918 flu actually started in france where the troops were obtaining birds off the street markets and preparing and cooking them.

WAS THE 1918 FLU A HOAX?............NO
How is it the 1918 flu is not a hoax but this one is? There have been all sorts of pandemics through history.

Some poeple are so much against the food companys, pharma and government that it blinds them to the other side of things. They don't bother to reaserch the nature and history of this virus and just listen to anyone attacking the bigwigs, and do not use any objectivity.Just because they are trying to exploite this does not mean the threat is not real.

Once again where is the REAL PROOF that it is NOT a threat?
By real proof, I mean real SCIENTIFIC proof.


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Posted On Apr 15, 2007
Nathan210 you are missing the point.  The people that put forward the pandemic theory are not suggesting that the bird flu virus in it's current form is either human transmittable or likely to cause a pandemic.  What they are saying is that when a human catches this from close contact with a bird (so it's already crossed the species barrier) it *may* mutate into a human transmitable form, especially if they have 'regular' flu at the same time and the two combine (eg. the letality of burd flu and the transmittability of human flu).

Here's a scientific fact for you - viruses mutate, it happens all the time.  It's why there is no 'cure' for the flu, because it mutates so every year it comes back in a different form - if it stayed the same we'd develop imunity to it.

So who's to say that bird flu won't mutate into a human transmitable form (as it has done in the past on several occasions)?  I'm not suggesting it will, but the fact that it hasn't happened yet with the current strain is not EVIDENCE that the whole things just been made up.  That's like saying "well I've never been involved in a car accident so that is evidence that it can never happen to me".

And again, I'm not necessarily suggesting that there ISN'T any evidence that it couldn't happen, I'm just saying that there is no evidence in the article despite the tabloid headline.


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Posted On Apr 16, 2007
Bird flu IS REAL, just like the flu epidemic of 1918. But we don't know when this one will happen. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. It could take 10 years to happen or not in our lifetime.....but it WILL happen at some point.

However I do believe that drug companies are using it to profit though, with what's most likely useless vaccines.

Having a strong immune system is not enough to fight bird flu. For anyone who wants to know what alternative medicine is recommended for fighting bird flu and why bird flu is real, read this article by Jon Barron.

http://www.jonbarron.org/newsletters/05/8-1-2005.php




Witch Doctor
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Posted On Apr 16, 2007
Kevin Rose - I have one question.  When has the medical profession ever surmised that a virus may mutate to become human transmissable - and then it happened?  I don't blame them for trying, but it is speculation with no track record.  Duane


Kevin Rose
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Posted On Apr 16, 2007
Duane

Dealing with and predicting virus behavour is not an exact science. The medical profession admit this. They cannot and do not claim to make predictions that are 100%. They can only say what is possible, not what is definate. Not everyone in the scientific community is corrupt.

Area51
Jon Barron has the right Idea. While condeming the corrupt practices of the medical profession he still acnowledges the genuine ones who are in it to help people, as does Dr Mercola.


Witch Doctor
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Posted On Apr 16, 2007
Kevin - you may misunderstand me on two points.

1)  I did not make the easy argument that the medical profession is not 100% accurate, or is an inexact science.  That would be a silly argument and I'm surprised you even addressed it.  (Perhaps you had no better answer at hand.)  I asked when have they EVER (even once) predicted a change in form of a particular virus to a far more dangerous form.  If they have never prognosticated such - that is 0%.  Hence the speculation factor is very high, making fears unfounded at this point.

2)  Why did you infer a belief in corruption into my question?  If you read my posts, you will find I believe this "hoax" is in fact an over-reaction by an overly cautious gov't, for reasons other than corruption.  Government is afraid of being blamed for not doing enough.  The fact that money is flowing to those who favor the worst-case scenario is an outgrowth of this overly cautious stance.


Kevin Rose
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Posted On Apr 16, 2007
Duane

Yes, your right. I did misunderstand you.

I agree with you on your second point. I assumed you where infering corruption as I've now got so used to people crying corruption, it's all a conspiracy and than not taking an objective viewpoint.

However, on your second point, it is not unreasonable to presume that this virus MAY mutate. Why? Because thoughout history, that is what has happened. Look at 1918. It is better that somebody is doing something in the field of virus resrearch even if they get it wrong. One day they won't. At least their activity makes us aware. We can then take precuations to impove our health and use viral fighting stuff if it ever did happen. It has certainly helped me benefit from a healther way of life and I feel better for it.

 
 
 
 
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