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Could Antidepressants Explain the Virginia Tech Massacre?

A variety of news sources have reported that Cho Seung Hui, the Virginia Tech shooter who killed 32 students and faculty members in a shooting rampage, was taking antidepressant drugs.

Antidepressants have also been used by the perpetrators of previous and similar acts of violence, including the shootings at Columbine High School eight years ago.

There are known links between antidepressants and violent acts. Research on the drug Paxil found that more than twice as many people taking it experienced a serious "hostility event" as did those taking a placebo. In the
United States, labels for all antidepressants note that anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, and mania are all possible side effects.

Part of the cause may be the disconnect with reality these drugs sometimes reportedly cause. In another study of the links between antidepressants and violence, a 12-year-old boy who killed his grandparents while he was on a course of antidepressants said that the whole incident seemed like a dream, and he was unsure whether or not it had really happened.

New York Times April 17, 2007

Yahoo News April 17, 2007

Chicago Tribune April 17, 2007


Dr. Mercola's Comment:

While keeping up with the reports on the Virginia Tech University killings in Blacksburg, VA, I was not surprised when I learned, from the Chicago Tribune and other sources, that the shooter had taken antidepressant drugs.

In fact, even before this was reported, I couldn't help thinking about other incidents, among them the Columbine High School rampage that took place almost eight years ago to the day, and wondering if antidepressants were somehow involved.

You may not recall a lesser-known case in Washington state six years ago in which a high school student took a rifle to school and held classmates and a teacher hostage, probably because this incident wasn't associated with any deaths. What prompted the teen's aggression? An abrupt switchover from Paxil to a high dose of Effexor.

Or, perhaps, consider the sad case of Andrea Yates who drowned her five small children in a Houston suburb, shortly after a revised antidepressant regimen that included Effexor and Remeron.

When will they learn that drugs are rarely the answer and that there are so many better options?

Given the facts, it would be a stretch to believe all these tragic incidents weren't linked to antidepressants. Time will tell if these often toxic drugs will be connected once again to another tragedy of unbelievable proportions, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were.

Cho was obviously seriously depressed and required effective treatment options, NOT drugs, which have great potential to actually worsen the problem or even trigger suicide, as antidepressant drugs have been clearly shown to increase the risk of suicide and other dangerous behaviors. If you are depressed, there are far safer and healthier options available to you than taking any drug:

  • Take a high-quality omega-3 fatty oil. Krill oil is particularly helpful here as the phosphate bonding helps absorb it better into your brain than fish oil.

  • Start an exercise program today. This is one of the best-kept secrets for fighting depression.

  • Learn how to use an energy psychology tool like the Emotional Freedom Technique. For serious problems, it would be prudent to not treat yourself with EFT; instead, contact a health care professional who is trained in the technique. You can use the list of guidelines and practitioners compiled by Dr. Patricia Carrington.

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Posted On Apr 17, 2007
If the possible side effect of some antidepressants could cause a person to become a psychopathic mass-murderer then those drugs should be banned!  Once again, how many people have to die before action is taken?  Hopefully this incident will result in a positive change within the realm of treating depression.  Pssst! FDA this would be a good time take some action.

This should also serve as a reminder that people have feelings and should not be shunned or dismissed because they are a "loner".  In fact, those are the individuals who need someone to just be their friend instead of dealt a harmful drug.  The scary thought is that there are many more individuals who are just like this S. Korean boy, ignored by society and most likely treated with an antidepressant.  We will soon learn the truth, in the meantime, pray for the families who are forever changed by what unfolded at Virginia Tech yesterday.      

 
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Posted On Apr 18, 2007
    In an ironic twist a new meta analysis was released in jama. It showed  a very slight benefit for anti depressants. It seems that the recent black box warning required by the FDA  reduced sales of these drugs. THat fact may have triggered  a new meta analysis. The study is seriously flawed; and because JAMA does not require full disclosure  conflicts of interest are not easy to see, but one thing is apparent drugs are always compared to placebo' I'd like to see a study comparing nontoxic treatments omega 3 oils, exercise, cognitive treatment,. against anti depressants. I think the results of that kind of study would eliminate sales all together


LM36
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Posted On Apr 18, 2007
After more research I found a website called www.ssristories.com which lists thousands of cases incriminating antidepressants.  Check it out...it is truly scary!  But as I suspected many of the violent crimes occuring in the US have a direct correlation to the ingestion of SSRI's. 

SSRI Stories 

"This website is a collection of 1500+ news stories with the full media article available, mainly criminal in nature, that have appeared in the media or that were part of FDA testimony in either 1991, 2004 or 2006, in which antidepressants are mentioned."



mfelix
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Posted On Apr 23, 2007
 Let us reason the way the article in question reasons:  suppose the murderer ate meat processed with nitrites 5 days out of 7 over the last 3 years. Why would we NOT blame nitrites for his actions?


gazzamoller
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Posted On Apr 23, 2007
I fully agree and it so happens I published an article that touched on this matter here questioning if there is a link between these horrific incidents, diet and the medications these disturbed young men are on at the time:
\http://www.healthandlifestyle.co.nz/2007/04/virginia-tech-is-there-link-between.html

Reader's comments welcomed and keep up the good fight folks!


JoeFizz ADHD PhD
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
I'm on Effexor.  I feel fine.
Happy day to all of you nice people.


Neale
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
There are many possible factors contributing to behavior like Cho's which may or may not include perscription drugs, diet, exercise, home environment, autism, obsession, victim of bullying, religious beliefs or lack thereof.  Under the careful guidance of a  Psychiatrist and with proper psychotherapy, adults can effectively use antidepressents.  Are any of us psychiatrists?  How can we judge?

Piranha


Jonathan B
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
The Cho murder incident might have been an object lesson that antidepressant medication can make a suicide- murder incident more likely, but subtly blaming the victims and students at Virginia Tech for not REACHING OUT to this vicious little critter is not appropriate.

In 2005 this guy was adjudicated as a danger to himself and others by a Criminal court after two incidents of stalking women on campus and one incident of arson in his room.  This situtation did not require a hug and snuggles, but lock down institutionalization and removal from campus.

Cho was not an isolated and lonely little man in need of love and understanding, but a mean and rejecting psychopath who rebuffed any efforts at friendship, and was repeatedly reported by students and staff to the administration as a dangerous person.

As a person who worked in group homes and mental health centers as a counselor for several years, I can verify that florid psychotic behavior does not respond well to open and loving actions.  In fact, one of the first victims of this man was a girl he was stalking. 

You can kiss a cobra on the lips, but do not complain, if you are bitten to death. 

Cho was a cobra ready to strike, but the Virginia legislature, in its effort to mainstream the insane into the college campuses, and maintain their civil rights, regardless of the threat to other students on campus,
passed a law that prevented the administration from removing this monster after he was stated to be dangerous to himself and others.



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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
nitrotjj, duh - of course YOU feel fine without taking Effexor, YOU aren't suffering from depression. The whole point is that for some people, MEDICATION IS NECESSARY TO FEEL NORMAL.  WHY would you want to deny a person a treatment that allows a normal, happy life?  Would you insist that an asthmatic be crippled, and maybe die, of his illness by taking away his medications? Would you insist a child with Type 1 diabetes die rather than give her the insulin she needs? What kind of monster are you?
Biopolar disorder and Type 2 diabetes run rampant in my family. The ones who seek treatment live good lives, like my mother, my grandmother, and my brother Mark. The ones who refuse treatment get sicker and sicker until they are crippled by their disease, either physically, mentally, or both, and some have died, either from the disease process itself (diabetes) or from suicide (bipolar disorder), like my uncle, my cousin, and my brother Mike, and they hurt everybody who loves them in the process. 
Depression is NOT the same as serious mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, which, left untreated, can and does lead to suicide and harmful behavior toward others more frequently than in persons without mental illnesses, but they don't plan and commit organized mass murders.  Depressed people do NOT act as the young man at Virginia Tech did, either. His disturbing behaviors existed LONG before this horrific act, and certainly, if he was actually on any kind of medication, which isn't a known fact, it was BECAUSE of those behaviors, not the RESULT of those behaviors.


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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Neale and JonathanB, thank you for thinking intelligently and reasonably. To blame this young man's behavior on medication is outrageous. As Jonathan pointed out, his behaviors were extremely disturbing LONG before this happened, and if he was on any medication, it was BECAUSE of his behaviors, not the CAUSE. And to blame his actions on being teased, or a bad upbringing, or anything else that happened to him only allows Americans to continue to wallow in their ignorance of mental illness and mental defect. Just as most people don't know the difference between heart failure and heart attack, most don't know the difference between depression (and other serious mental illnesses), psychopathy, and sociopathy, or the kinds of behaviors each of these conditions causes. Without such knowledge, all speculation is just ignorant rantings by people who can't even begin to understand the nature of the beast, which seems to be pretty much most of the people who are posting here today. 
I believe prescription drugs are NOT THE ONLY ANSWER for illnesses that affect the mind, BUT FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT'S WHAT'S NECESSARY. The fact that there can be side effects is not a reason to deny access to the life-saving drugs for every last person who needs medication.  It is good reason to be conservative and careful. People who are mildly to moderately depressed don't belong on drugs at all, and those whose behaviors warrant such intervention (suicidal or violent ideation or actual acts) need to be in an in-patient program until their illness is controlled and medication is successfully regulated and effective without dangerous side-effects. Of course, all known physical causes for the condition must be ruled out first. For example, the shooter in a1964 college campus tragedy had a brain tumor.


terryd1960
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Angelic, I, too, spent a long time ill, and was told to "see a psychiatrist" (something that happens to women all the time) before a doctor (God bless her) paid closer attention to my physical symptoms after I read a magazine article and switched to this doctor on the recommendation of a friend. It turned out I was suffering from Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Treatment with thyroid replacement hormone helped tremendously. I still had other health issues, but through my own research (and a long search for knowledgable doctors), I have been able to recover to a great extent. The metabolic syndrome and dangerously high cholesterol are proving to be difficult, but I'm not giving up - I know the answers are there, it's just going to take some experimenting to find what works in my body. Unfortunately, for many people, one of the biggest barriers to more natural ways to control health problems is the cost. Many years ago, my gynecologist and midwife suggested I use evening primrose oil for my extemely dificult menstrual cycle, but the cost was way, way beyond my means. Until Americans as a whole stop being so ignorant, sceptical, and suspicious about such effective alternative (to traditional drugs) treatments, the FDA isn't going to test and approve them, and the insurance companies aren't going to pay for them.     


Coeli
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Terry1960, no offense, but you can get evening primrose oil for less than $10 at the local health food store. How is that more expensive than some prescription drug? Half of our problem here in America is we feel like we are getting ripped off when we pay high prices for organic or natural things when in reality we are paying far higher prices for anything synthetic. Just  because our insurance will cover the prescriptions doesn't make them the better option. We pay higher prices in our health, in our environment, and in our children in the end.


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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
The problem with our world, in part, is playing "the blame game" with everything and everyone.  I agree with many of you...on both sides of the argument.  I am EXTREMELY conscious of what I put into/onto my body and yet, after years and years of healthy eating, exercise and just taking good care of myself in general, I have finally let myself be put on antidepressants.  They have helped my anxiety/depression/frequent bouts of uncontrollable anger tremendously.  My antidepressants are the ONLY synthetic drug that I take (I was even tested for low thyroid and refused to take the Synthroid...I opted for Enzymatic Therapy's natural thyroid capsules) and I would NEVER go back to the miserable way that I was living last year at this time.  Anyway, my point is that you can't judge another until you have walked in their shoes.  All of us are different chemically and therefore, what is right for my body might be considered poison to yours.  We all need to be mindful of each others feelings and try to make the world a better, happier and friendlier place to live!


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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
JoeFizz - happy day back. Mix in some Remeron and you got California Rocket Fuel.  Three neurotransmitter elevated 1. serotonin (most)  2. dopamine (2nd most)  3. noradrenaline (3d most).  I may have got this right - going by memory. 


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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Cristy, I think that is a very good approach.  You tried everything you knew to do and still if you need a prescription drug try it and keep a
close eye on yourself.  Everyonce in a while there is a condition/genetic
problems that require some assistance from conventional medicine.


Reesacat
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Just a FYI, when this first came out (you can see by the dates) alot of this discussion was taking place within the first 48 hours of the shooting.   As more information was released, the profile of the
shooter became more clear-a very dangerous psychopath, not
someone dealing with just depression.

    


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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
YES! from experience and because of articles of  Dr Mercola, I begin researching the 'medication' i was taking.  I also found   acetaminophen    \ which is  found in everything' was extremely dangerous to my own well being.


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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Coeli, I don't know where you live, but where I live it would have cost more than $40.00 a month for me to take evening primrose oil in the amount needed to be effective, and that was sixteen years ago, so that was a lot more money than it is today. l was living near the poverty level at the time, and $40.00 was far, far beyond my reach. I had five kids to feed, and my husband kept getting laid off from his job every six months or a year, and we didn't even have health insurance most of the time, so I couldn't get prescriptions, either. I was miserably sick and in pain for more than a decade before I finally was able to get the help I needed.  


terryd1960
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Reesecat, once again, you are the voice of reason. People just love jumping to conclusions, don't they? Psychopathy is not depression, and depressed people don't behave as this young man did, even if they have a bad reaction to a medication.


Witch Doctor
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Posted On Apr 24, 2007
Way to go terryd - again!  Some people (like you) easily cut right to the chase while the rest of us struggle to get it right.  I was confused on some points, but you helped, as did some others.


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Posted On Apr 25, 2007
I think there is a lot more to this story than the media is giving us.  Initial reports were that there were 2 shooters.  How you can mistaken 1 shooter as 2?

Watch the You Tube clip about the types of guns he used. The expert cannot explain how he would shoot over 100 times with the 2 guns they claim he used. 9 millmeter guns are not used to kill people generally.

There are now reports that a stand down order was placed over the police on the campus. Why? Who wanted the death toll to climb?

Then to top it all off he was being influenced by violent video games and movies. I personally don't think video games or movies make someone violent, but if you are already in an erratic state of mind, it does not help.

I think this whole story stinks. Something else is going on here with Cho that we aren't being told.  Remember to keep your eyes open people. Don't always believe what the TV says.


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Posted On Apr 25, 2007
 I have been suscribed to Dr. Mercola's website for about 10 years now.  Personally, I will never take a prescription drug for anything.  I do my own research to resolve health issues.  In some cases, it does take a long time to figure out what works and can be expensive.  I am a single mom with 2 kids and I find a way to pay for it.  You may want to give up on going out to dinner to pay for that evening primrose oil. 
I have to deal with irritable bowel syndrome.  My ex is a manic-depressive who seeks treatment by a psychologist without any pills.  I think if he was taking any prescription he may have killed me by now. 

To deal with a family member with schizophrenia or any illness is exhausting and trying to figure out the best way to handle these health issues is very difficult where I can see why people may want to resort to meds.  However, the FDA does approve drugs without the proper testing and does result in meds with a huge side-effect list.  It may be hundreds of decades from now, but I think we will see where we can address health issues without chemically altering the body.  I think that each generation of people will have more erratic behavior due to chemical alteration occurring.  There are other known ways of addressing health issues besides chemical alteration since there is also an electrical component to the body as well.  This is an area I think will open up more eventually as a means of helping people. 


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Posted On Apr 25, 2007
KAC, out to dinner? Are you out to lunch? I never went out to dinner back then unless it was a gift from somebody. There were times I didn't have a phone or electricity, much less forty dollars for evening primrose oil. Wake up - there really are POOR PEOPLE in our country, and I used to be one of them. As for NEVER taking a prescription, I pray to God you and your children never have Type 1 Diabetes, because it's a prescription or die, period. There AREN'T any "natural" remedies for this condition (or a whole lot of others).  


KAC
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Posted On Apr 25, 2007
 TERRYD
 
I'm trying to be helpful here and not tear one another apart.  I too experienced times when I had no food.  For God's sakes, going out to dinner was just an example.  Yes, some people don't get to do that.  There are other things you can do besides taking evening primose oil and spending $40.00.  If it was to increase your essential fatty acid's intake, there are other things you can do such as change in diet.  There are natural solutions to Diabetes - sorry to tell you that.  My brother who is a holistic doctor has been helping people for years overcome it.  My boss right now is taking what my brother suggests and keeping his diabetes in check.  He is most thankful for that.  You need to connect with the right people and keep an open mind and quit making it sound like there is nothing you can do. 


KAC
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Posted On Apr 25, 2007
TERRYD
I just read another post where you were told to take primrose oil for menstrual issues.   A very good suggestion that works is to do castor oil packs on the abdomen.  You can do a search on the internet for instructions - need to buy castor oil (depending on size of bottle $3-$5) that lasts a long time and use flannel or 100% cotton material.   


terryd1960
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Posted On Apr 26, 2007
KAC, let's both of us pull our claws back in! And yes, I know there are ways to control Type 2 diabetes without drugs. I should know - this disease runs rampant in my family and I've done hundreds of hours of research on the subject. Type 1 diabetes, on the other hand, is not the same disease (some authorities believe Type 2 shouldn't even be called diabetes), and cannot be controlled without insulin injections (or the more recently developed nasal spray insulin, but a lot of people can't use it). If anybody tells you it can be, they're lying. People like that are dangerous. Remember, people make all kinds of claims about health and wellness and disease and "cures", and all kinds of people get really sick or die following recommendations made by people who do not know what they are talking about. Back in the '80s, there was a rash of infant deaths because some parents followed the advice of one such quack and poisoned their babies with overdoses of Vitamin A.


macdonald00
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Posted On Apr 26, 2007
Ritalin is under the spot light in Sydney 26 April 07.

NineMsn News

Daily Telegraph


KAC
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Posted On Apr 26, 2007
TERRYD,

It seems you do research and have good information but I think sometimes you tend to knock good people who try to help also.
Thanks for lightening up.  It'll do your body good.  This is what does help Diabetes 1 and II naturally that my brother (naturopathic doctor - N.D.) gives to his patients.

GLUCON

100% vegetable dietary supplement lowering glyceamic response

Glucon is dietery supplement designed for after meal glucose level growth decreasing by patients , who suffer by diabetes type I and II. 

Glucon is by patent protected combination of 2 ingredients - stabilized Rice Bran and Fenugreek extract, which ones by their synergic effect help to control glucose level in diabetics blood. 

Glucon helps diabetics to lower their insuline need an their dependency on it. 

Glucon helps to overcome or prolonge the period, when the body starts to create the resistancy against insuline and when fails to respond insuline jabs. 

Glucon may, from prospective point of view, lower cholesterol level and is evidenced that lowers level of triglycerides in blood , thus is effective in blood pressure lowering and in lowering of heart attack risk. Moreover shows potent antiviral effects.

Glucon comprises, besides huge amount of vitamins and minerals, exceptional ensemble of natural antioxidants - totally 97, which help to protect sensitive organs as eyes, kidney, liver and heart. These organs are exceptionally sensitive on high glucose level in blood.  Comprised fiber contributes to lowering of colon cancer risk.



KAC
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Posted On Apr 26, 2007
TERRYD,

A testimonial from a type II diabetic. 
 

Regular Biozest Glucon Consumer claim:

"Three years ago I have been diagnosed as a type II diabetic. Although I followed a low GI diet and use prescribed medication, my average blood glucose level stayed fairly high (average over 7 mmol/l) and very volatile until I was introduced to Biozest drink and Glucon.

I still follow my low GI diet but could stop using my blood glucose control medication 4 days after starting to add Biozest drink and Glucon capsules to my diet. Now I maintain a reduced and very stable blood glucose level of about 6 mmol/l. Loss more than 3kg weight within the first 30 days, improve my sleep, and have more sustained energy and better appetite control thanks to Biozest drink and Glucon! " Brian Geduldt




KAC
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Posted On Apr 26, 2007

Help for Depression with Pharmaceutical Drugs.  Read the last paragraph.  Our bodies need DHA and EPA which western diets lack.
In the current issue of The Journal of Neuroscience, researchers from the University of California, Irvine, report on a study that sheds new light on the use of omega-3 fatty acids in AD treatment.

STUDY PROFILE

  • Researchers used mice that were genetically altered so they would develop the waxy amyloid brain plaques that are common in AD
  • When DHA was added to mouse food, accumulation of amyloid plaques was reduced, as was another protein that contributes to plaque formation
  • When omega-6 fatty acids were added to food, the positive benefits of DHA intake were diminished over the course of a year

As I've noted in previous e-Alerts, omega-6 fatty acids are far more common in the average western diet than omega-3s. The ideal ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 intake is 1:1 - a ratio that's hard for most of us to reach without making a special effort to reduce omega-6 intake and increase omega-3.

Walnuts and flaxseed contain omega-3 fatty acids, but only fish contains both DHA and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). When combined, these two essential fatty acids have been shown to help prevent depression, as well as heart disease, arthritis, influenza, hyperactivity, and even some forms of cancer.



Witch Doctor
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Posted On Apr 26, 2007
Thanks KAC - more evidence we should not "balance" n-6 and n-3 fatty acids - we should eliminate supplemental n-6 to the extent possible (because we simply can't avoid getting enough or too much from our diets) and supplement n-3. ("n" = "omega").  GLA (e.g. borage oil or evening primrose oil) is the exception, because genetics and many disease conditions cause loss of production of GLA from n-6 fatty acids (specific enzyme insufficiency).


Bill McDougald
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Posted On Apr 27, 2007
Russ Bianchi's note caught my eye. Actually we could have all of the forementioned charged with criminal acts but nothing would come of it even if the Supreme Court ruled against them. This is because the 4 elites, who want to kill 5 Billion people with wars, drugs and the food supply, would come to their aid and so nothing substantial would happen. So there would be no point but it might be good entertainment for a while.


Bill McDougald
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Posted On Apr 27, 2007
I have heard reliably, that Frankincense Oil is the number one thing to use for depression. Just put one to six drops under the tongue and even manic depression lifts like a curtain. Go to newvision.com and see the oils there.


terryd1960
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Posted On Apr 29, 2007
KAC - thanks for the info, but remember, Type 1 diabetics can't live without insulin shots or nasal spray - it doesn't matter what supplements they take, because the problem is that they don't make any insulin. A supplement may enable them to use less insulin, but not no insulin.
Sorry if I sound a little touchy, but I just hate it when people judge others without ever having had to deal with their problems, or worse, they have had to deal with their problems, and now they think they know everything. You know, like the animal rights activists who want to tell everybody else what to eat, and refuse to believe that some people can't be healthy on a vegan diet. It seems a lot of that goes on around here. 
I like being able to come to Dr. Mercola's website to learn, but the our-way-or-the-highway attitude is infuriating. 


dar_3
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Posted On May 01, 2007
I believe the cho was on antidepressants.  Actually in almost all cases of crazed individuals they have been on AD's or if they were not they could have been on street drugs. 

As for the cause and treatment of depression, I too believe that the primary cause is nutrition.  I've taken the las 6 to 7 years of my life and have researched this in great detail. From what I've learned is that most folks (80+percent in fact are low in magnesium which can cause depression/anxiety etc.)

Also our Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio is way out of balance.  While optimal levels are 1 to 1 or 2 to 1...generally folks can be out of balance as much as 20 or even 40 to 1 in favor of Omega 6. Omega 3's are brain food and needed for just about every cell of the body...esp the brain and heart.  If our brains do not get Omega 3's they will use what is available and struggle to perform.

Our soils are over farmed and depleted.  Factory farms use chemical fertilizers that only replace nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium. Even when we eat healthy...getting more veg's and fruits...they are often picked early which means they do not have the nutrient content they should. Most people are eating out of boxes and cans which have little nutrition or eating from fast food places several times a week...and we are wondering why we are seeing more people mentally ill.

Prescription drugs interfere with or deplete vital nutrients from the body...I've learned that some AD's deplete the body of Magnesium, Zinc, Vit C, Calcium, Selenium, B Vits, and even L-Glutathoine.  

While some folk here think AD's work...I'm here to tell you as someone who bought the lie and took them for more years than I'd care to mention that they are toxic and will cause you eventually to spiral further into depression due to the depletion of nutrients mentioned above.